You outnumber LCN almost 2 to 1 and still need outside FA. yet sol seriously claim to be #1 war alliance in game. LOL

LCN is down to 34 countries in its tag (from 60 at the start of the war). Rage is at 25 (from 28) and SOL is at 64 (from 69).

SOL and Rage don't need outside FA to win this war. They'll win by attrition. Any edge LCN had from nw advantage at the beginning of the war is gone, and not due to great fighting by SOL and Rage, but poor fighting from LCN. To be an effective fighting alliance in this game, your members need to keep fighting from the beginning until the end of the war, regardless of how many times they need to restart. Restart rate more than anything else is what separates fighting alliances from netting alliances, and is why, unless the netting alliance has a decisive numerical advantage, netting alliances can not stand up to warring alliances in this game. There are two solutions to this: 1) move back to having hybrid fighting/netting alliances instead of specialists (unlikely - fighters like to fight and netters like to net), or 2) make killing a country much harder.

Even if all 26 of your members who haven't restarted and re tagged at this point do so now, it's probably too late. You're out numbered more than 2.5:1 at this point.

The FA helps, but it really isn't necessary. By not restarting, LCN's membership is essentially surrendering.

Ofcourse LCN is down in members, 10 of us get killed each day, it takes time to restart and retag. And like all others we dont have a restart rate of 100% either.

Rage being at 25 is nice, good restart rate. However we haven't really touched Rage to much in the last week, focussing mostly in SOL so they had time to restart and rebuild.

Even though i had hoped Toma wouldn't post this message (but he did it anyway) he has a point, Rage gets help from the 2 most powerfull alliances in this game to defeat little LCN.

oooooww shiny new member, been a while since i was a "new member"

I'm guessing he posted that because he noticed at least 1 SOL country pacted to another country outside the sphere of conflict?

That's what I've saying for awhile now. Killing needs to be made a lot more difficult if war alliances want more variety in who they war. Most people don't have all day to stay online to stonewall. If you want to encourage other people to war you need to make it so that strategy and country building becomes more important than time availability. I think kills need to be weakened and disabiling/strategic grabbing needs to be a bigger part of war.

Coinciding with that you need to get rid of DR for attacks or at least make it so that DR only applies to successful SS or PS and it so that landgrabbing is more beneficial during wars. That would give incentive for netters to war. Until warring offers a decent probability of a higher finishing net, you will never see netters want to war.

Agreed on all accounts except for the last part which I chopped out of the quote. The last part is probably true but I don't know that netters need to want to war. The problem is that people have this mindset of what is appropriate and what isn't. If people thought it was alright for #2 to AB #1 to get ahead, then warring and netting would be intimately tied together and we could move away from regular organized conflict.

I'm cheering for LCN in this war, but you guys are letting me down : (

At the same time I'm in an alliance allied to LCN's enemies, and if asked to, I would not hesitate to send aid to those allies, and if my alliance enters the war, I will not hesitate to attack.

As far as the time it takes to restart and retag, it's only a few minutes. Your 34 countries include 7 in protection and several more recently out of it.

BlackMamba - some of us have been advocating for 'land wars' since the move to EE. In a landwar the alliances agree on a date/times start and end. Only SS and PS allowed (and some of us think all spy ops should be allowed too). Countries are not killed, stonewalling doesnt help and you dont need to get a bunch of people online at once to fight. At the end of the war you figure out total land gained, average land gained, total NW growth and average NW growth to figure the winner. And at the end of the war the alliances are not reduced to war-shattered restarts at the mercy of landgrabbers and high inactivity. Everyone still has a country and the alliance could even fight 2 or maybe 3 wars in a set.

On the subject of LCN whining - you started the war with an over 2-1 advantage and STILL were so scared of Rage you sent untagged suiciders and allies to grab and harrass Rage before the war. As soon as the numbers got better you started looking for excuses for your poor warfighting skills. Well make any excuse you want it doesnt change your abilities (or lack of...)

SOL and RAGE as a whole are not getting mass FA.

So this thread is FAIL.

There has always been, and always will be friends of members in other alliances that help friends that leaders can not control =P So get over it.

And you fail to see LCN's walling is ridiculous, and that there huge stocks are playing a huge part in it.

Hi, new member!! :D

Man this is the spin zone right here

you spin me right round baby, like a record baby ...

ahh, them 80s songs :)

is that the tie mystic? Damn long time no see

"and STILL were so scared of Rage you sent untagged suiciders and allies to grab and harrass Rage before the war"

This is not true. If we had suicided you beforehand we would have done far more damage. If you have proof that this was done by a roque LCNer then please send Purpy, Imperial or Trife the proof and it will be dealt with. That person or persons will be booted for not knowing how to suicide properly.

You say suiciders. Before Rage started preemptively killing untags, there was only 1 suicider with 2 restarts. The second restart was still alive as of a few days ago.

lcn had nothing to do with my UnClanned attacking Rage, that is a whole different game!

Yup thats me

lol. I have desires to troll this thread, but I will avoid it, for the most part.

LCN, learn how to FA your restarts out of range, and how to wall with cash instead of turns, and how to make yourself unbreakable.

LCN has 34 countries, that means they should be sending FA, 34 times a day. Prevent them from killing you by making yourself too big.

Oh, and don't waste your time with AB's, particularly if you wait till the day AFTER they are fully rebuilt (meaning they already have the cash from selling).

I've already discussed this with LCN, if we're getting outside FA I want to hear about it so it can be stopped. As no one has sent me any proof/not even a message about it then this shall just be classed as another trolling thread.

And we don't claim to be the #1 warring clan.

Damn i lost my socks

Normally when you make accusations like this, you provide evidence to back up those claims.

I think that policing alliances should be allowed to make 1 grab a day on countries that are allied to countries that are involved in the war, after the war has been going on for 72+ hours. 72 hours is more than enough time to break off any pacts you have with a country that is an alliance that goes to war.

I'm an alien too. Because if I say so, it must be true.

LCN didn't run any suiciders and largely avoided grabbing Rage all reset. Your historical revisionism is amusing to say the least.

When it's war time, only little fluffes want to moan, so they come on AT and start a thread.

LCN starts alot of threads.

omg it's Mystic!!!!
didn't know that u r in LCN now!!

WOW- i cant believe it? You guys are wanting to change the game to make it harder to kill countries because your not good fighters?? Maybe just stop crying and fight better or die and move on. I cant take all this crying and poor excuses. Cry me a river.


We will finish Tag Killing LCN and then farm all their restarts.

I don't know who I support in this war!

LCN are assholes... but at least they're internally consistent assholes!

SOL...

RAGE <3!

meh, It'll make my stonewalling experience better... even if countries are harder to kill... it works both ways.. if you have a hard time killing countries now... how you gonna kill countries when they make it harder to kill... that means the countries you'd normally have killed, would still be alive to put out hits they'd normally not have.

if LCN 'loses' the war, it's due purely to numbers

they've put on a damn good show so far! :)

they should be very happy with their war effort this round

rage smellz

Seeing how LCN's just about doneski, it proves that SOL does not fail at warring, and that this thread is just downright retarded...

We're happy with our numbers, except for our restart numbers.. And since we've already achieved what we set out to do this reset, we're quite content with how things have turned out.

I'd put less emphasis on their war effort and more on SOLs earlier situation with iMag.

:)

LCN did good yah.

Their FS on us was magnifico.

Though i wasn't actually around to witness it. From what i understand we were all dead pretty quicksmart:p

well, it's pretty obvious that if imag hadn't fought SoL, the combination of SoL+Rage would be absolutely overwhelming for LCN regardless :p

so, implicitly, yes... imag made this war into the war it is today :p

sad to see that it's starting to turn into more of a trashtalky war now it seems

So LCN need to blame Imag for SoL joining in ;)

it happens when the outcome of the war is more and more known :-P or people are bored.

ps.. Tell Bru I owe him and his wife a steak dinner next time he comes to Champaign.

Its been a good and fun war so far, and its nearly over.
LCN achieved its goal, but handling SOL was just to much for us.
I had a bit of hope in the early days, SOL wasn't very strong in the first few days but picked it up and ripped us a new one.
They made excellent use of there turn advantage and won this war together with Rage.
But hey thats war,you win some you lose some.

I've never lost a war.

Although I haven't been in very many, Tobyville hasn't died, recently, and everyone knows you can't have a war unless Tobyville dies.

turn advantage, but we just got outa a war with Imag early on.