Said everyone who couldn't net ever ;)

Thats the thing isn't it though: You like war, you consider success/greatness according to your own preferred set of metrics.

Netgainers, they use a another set of metrics. Whilst Bothe groups might respect each other's metrics rarely do members of one group really shares the same aspirations of the other. Rarely does a netgainer understand the nuance of the war-game meta, and vice versa.

Winning in this game is arbitrary. It's like life. You measure your achievements by your own yardstick.

Just because you like to play certain way, to achieve certain things, it doesn't make it any more right, moral, ethical, better, worse, evil, or terrible than any other way of playing. Those that seek to impose their way of life (way to to play the game) upon you, seek to take away your freedom to enforce up on you their conditions.

The "rules" are the only constraints of the game, people are free to play how they like within those constraints. Caterwauling when people choose to play their own style shows a remarkable lack of sophistication of thought. A disturbing lack of understanding of how the world around you works, how people work, of what is possible. Open your mind derrick. There is a bigger picture!

11/10 well said.

So what I'm hearing you say is "you must play how I say you should". Roger that.

You are doing a terrible job of making the game "less toxic". Stand up work there.

I have *always* preferred netting since I started this game. It is a fact that every time I had to fight a war in LCN... and that was a lot... my heart sank, but always I did my best.

So now I return to the game after all these years, and got a taste for netting in the reunion set, been playing on express to get a feel for things - for better or worse!

I am thinking about giving alliance another go, but It seems your particular take is to just call people trash?

Given my choices appear to be:

Net peacefully in the "imperial empire"... or join the "rebel alliance".

I'm starting to think conventional netting is not all its cracked up to be. I farm bots all day long in express, would have no problem doing so in alliance, but what I am seeing is that some bad apples are hitting untagged (mistake or on purpose) human players, or smaller alliances, and then not accepting retals.

Seems to me whole concept of “retals”, was to legitimise the act of returning fire in the concept of the game. What I don't get is how you people don't understand that basic game theory/psychology means that the inevitable outcome of this, is to paraphrase "some animals are more equal than others"

You don't seem to understand what that means wrt he endgame.

The logical conclusion if you follow game theory, with a cohort of people committed solely to measuring success by "Networth at end of reset" is 1 giant superclan, that only farms the rest of the server (bots).

That is the PvE scenario kelts talked about in another thread.

You're all busy "saving earth from the suiciders"

These guys are busy "saving earth from you guys"

The human element is what makes the game. The chaotic element that creates interest. Otherwise you end up in PvE death.

But what would I know, I’m just “trash”.

.... but is it in the rules?

"You must tag"

Or is that just a game mechanic, you can choose to use.

We are at a red pill / blue pill moment here. Choose wisely. http://i.imgur.com/c6tMzZH.png

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zomg, lol, I have just noticed this. What is this... pin the tail on the LCNer!? I play express buddy.

I follow these boards for the lulz ;)

I'm saying its the "most amount of land grabbed by a country in a reset" since eestats records began. You can check this quite easily. Look at prior t10s for "land grabbed". Nowhere have I ever said its about land at end of reset.

How underwhelmed, or unimpressed you might personally feel about that doesn't really have any bearing on the facts. Your intense desire to convince everyone else there is nothing to see here seems more suspicious to me as an impartial observer....

(ok semi-impartial since I did happen to know some of the guys that did it)

Whole post was about land grabbed, not land at end of set. I wanted to see where anyone else had put up similar numbers. Perhaps my post wasn't clear.

However, you then went on to say...



UgolinoII thought grabbing 320k was impressive, because nobody else has *grabbed* that. Easy enough to verify this. It took me 5-10 mins.

I am not the bad guy here. I just saw people saying this was nothing new, and was interested in looking back on other events of similar scale for entertainment/research purposes.

I might not be the best netter in the world, but suggesting I don't know about oil destock just demonstrates more of the "smarter than you" attitude that these suiciders are accusing you of. Starting to see their point TBH. Though, shout out to enshula for bothering to give a sensible answer to my question. Cheers man, makes a lot of sense.

I'm genuinely interested in having a crack at netgaining. I'm a bit disappointed that as ex-LCN I probably can't get in LaF to do that because everyone will think i'm some suicider or some fluff. However I can still respect that a bunch of guys (be they LCN or otherwise) decided to go out and do their own thing instead of just toeing the line.

So continue to deride me or w/e, whilst claiming that its everyone else that is toxic for just playing the game.

At least I can enjoy some humour in that particular irony.

Dude, I played the LCN reunion set, you're 2 months late!!!

*Citation needed! ;)

No seriously I'm genuinely interested in what earth history I may have missed, because now I've had a chance to look through eestats and get a better picture. These guys seemed to put on quite a show. Perhaps I'm just naive though.

I just had a quick flick through previous resets. I see two paradigm countries land trading to 100k back in 2011 - https://www.eestats.com/...ce/oldtoptencountries/223

They Both grabbed around 260k. Pretty cool. Similar in numbers, but not really "seen this before" material.

I see Ebert getting 216k back in June '16 - https://www.eestats.com/...e/oldtoptencountries/1074

Very nice grabbing, but again not "seen this before" material.

The 100m NW sol guy must have had a ton of stock. He stopped grabbing over 2 weeks ago, cashing on 120k acres that alone gives him around 100bn. The big LaF guy was in a similar spot, grabbed a bit longer but must have had huge stock. "Suicider" seems a bit crass!

Then the tiny demo, how the hell does a country like that grab so much in such a short space of time. Dude must have been owning the market.

Again, I'm a bit of a n00b as I only played back in the day when things were very different, so these numbers all look crazy ridiculous to me. Hell I barely broke 200m in the LCN reunion set having stopped grabbing at 50k because I thought that was huge. Lol.

And then all of the other supporting countries, that had no right grabbing the acreage they did. Does nobody run defence any more? Being an ex-LCN guy, It was pretty much obligatory back in the day. Has the game changed that much?

But yeah if there is something in earth history comparable to what happened here, I'd love to go back and study the news. I am a stats nerd like that :)

So, respectfully, where/when was something akin to this seen before?

I’ll second that I’m still not really sure what has gone down here, just catching up on the fluffposting. Damn this looks to be. A train wreck though.

Not ideal. I’d wanted to try my hand netting again next set after the LCN reunion and laf seemed the obvious choice. Now I’m thinking maybe not, lol.

O_o for reals? its hosted *at home* !?

Thats how they got fat. The ones not in GDI get raped.

I don't often roflcopter. Bet when I do.

Every reset is a game of Russian Roulette. I *want* to buy GDI, so I play my startup, then get excited about their being a fat bot to hit.... then.... d'oh

It's ok you never stood a chance. I have the "get farmed by rainbows" strat lined up. Its unstoppable.

Great stories always need a villain or two. You are doing a stand up job Derrick :)

whoa I feel GOOD!

You know what pisses me off. The whole NW matching thing for grabs.

Some schmuck jetter comes all up in your face and top feeds, then you retal... but cos you are carrying fine defense you get fluff returns.

NW matching *downwards*, I get. It stops crap players raping land. It makes sense a tiny country should be limited in what it take from a large country.

NW matching up is basically punishing people that can play well. If I have a good country - I should get baseline returns, not some nerfed fluff because the defending country is a fluffing idiot.

I'm sure it was intended "for the good of the server". I don't agree. It specifically hurts good players, not n00bs. It does more to drive away good old players, then retain new players.

I think you mean "Death of a Salesman"

Nice job v! - and I love a good easter egg :)

sorry I didn't get enough notice! was already committed to a different "challenge"

rofl... steaming gifts of love!

Honestly, though - I have this mean tyr casher strat.... :D

Lol, I should join LaF's kill team. I can run a terrible country :D

Yeah I saw you ran some turns, but you were notably absent (and missed... at least by me) in our hangout :)

Hope "lil crazy" nothing too bad x

TRIFLLES!!!!!

*smooch*

I miss you man, why U no play reunion set !?

I think it *seems* like it could be abused on the face of it, but when you get to the practicality of it, its not worth it. I think essentially it is just keeping the land in the game.

For example hop over to 1a and there is that 178k dead guy in the t10. That's land that the server has now lost.

He rapes LaF, they have to kill him and then LaF can't get anything back that was farmed from them... if anything that seems like abuse!

All the caveats are a minefield, and can be bikeshedded to death. Simple rules with complex outcomes.

Just let dead countries be attacked (yes even GS and BR still, just 0 civs killed) as well as spied, everything else is way too complicated.

Might be a silly question... is this open source? Github URL?

Be happy to dig through and submit a pull request for this one. Could be show_attack_results() that is broke, but more likely the 'res' being returned to the success callback is at fault...

KISS ... Allow dead countries to be grabbed.

100%. I'd go one step further, why not let *all* dead countries be grabbed.

Just cos a country is vacant of population, doesn't mean the land isn't there....

Playing turns regularly and having defence doesn't help much either. I can attest. There is always a rainbow stupider than the last one...

Land is awful this reset.

The worst part is that the rainbow then think grabbing humans is a good idea. Easy to retal, but it breaks your concentration.

Ahh the old 17x tap. Classic.

Also, forget to GDI before you make your first 5PS and then be mad at yourself all reset. Thats compulsory in express.

Confirmed

bots don't attack ever (yet)

which is why you will see rampant farming of them

if a country has a attacked, its not a bot.

Toto, I've a feeling we're not in France anymore ;)

You are correct. LCN had one final reunion set, put on a fairly good show for a bunch of old men (and women)netted out peacefully and is now disbanded. I think a couple might be playing here and there still, but no more LCN.

RIP in peices... good times.

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Yeah and when "good" players 6x RoR a tyranny casher, its pretty weak sauce.

Good challenge though and congrats Gerdler!

reports suggest you might not be far off the mark. that some rage quit. :/

Merely a flash wound...

Net Income $497,056

The people who can't net (sorry "choose not to" .. lolol) don't usually get suicided on because they are rubbish target ;)

im flying now!!!

Net Income $338,425

I'm coming for you all:

Net Income $-243,514

Also you need to post here so that I, and the rest of the peanut gallery, can all chip in :)

All you stinking tax cheats need to pay your fair share. The IRS is coming to audit you.

lolol. so I had abandoned challenge in order to make amends for the RoR's. Switched to indy boosting spal etc etc.

I log in just now to find out it was taken care of already lolol.

I doff my hat to thee "Enforcer"

Wow.

Upthread someones said #11 was in a lose:lose situation

I wonder if #65 thinks #11 "lost"...

12694 acres grabbed vs. 5958 acres reclaimed by #65

ouch.

Actions have, sometimes wildly unexpected, consequences :)